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It's More Than the Bible and a Church Visit
Published on March 11, 2004 By mittens In Religion
Fore-Warning: As you read this, keep in mind that this is coming from a former Catholic/Christian who has now turned to Atheism.

Over the past 7 months, I've been living with a roommate at the University of Michigan who the school paired me with. And for the most part, we've been great friends the whole time. I've always been supportive of him, giving advice, etc., in fact, I occassionally felt like an older brother to him. From the get-go, he has claimed to be heavily religious, listening to religious music, talking about friends he's met at Church, ranted on and on [a lot] about "good morals" and how "God always has a plan."

About 2 months into school, I noticed a change in him: he became much more irritable, frustrated, swore a lot and condemned his faith and his God. At one point during his "evil period," he went too far saying things like "Fuck God!" and "Where the hell has God ever been for me?" and, at that point, I just lost it, and grabbed him, slammed him against a wall, and told him that even though I don't believe in God, I knew he did, so I told him that part of being a good Christian is staying true to your faith during the good times, to be sure, but also to stay true during the worst of times. I let go of him, and he stormed out in a storm of swearing and damn'ing me to the worst parts of the world, etc. Soon after that, though, I think he came around and saw truth in what I was saying, and eventually got back to "normal." Since that point, however, I believe he felt that I still could "be saved" by God, and had made it his personal mission to "convert me."

Granted his goal of attempting to "convert" me would never happen, as I was born and raised Catholic and lived in a rather religious household. Growing up I was required me to attend pre-church "school" and the occasional youth-group meetings, along with reading the Bible on a daily basis. My reasons to turn Agnostic, and later Atheistic were very well-justified in my mind, and pretty set-in-stone, at least for my foreseeable future, and I have remained that way for a couple years now. I've occasionally thought about maybe attempting to go back to Christianity (though I will never return to Catholicism), simply because it makes certain aspects of life easier to deal with, however those were fleeting thoughts, and I still remain strong in my current beliefs.

The previous paragraph was just some background information on myself though, to indicate that although I am NOT religious in any way, shape or form, I still do know a decent amount of information about Christianity, and especially the Catholic set of beliefs. So, even if I don't believe in God (or most of the other things the Bible preaches about), I was able to answer a lot of questions about Christianity that my roommate may have had. Now, I had just mentioned about one of his "evil periods;" however, little was I to know, that these "evil periods" were going to happen much more frequently: about once or twice a month. I've learned to deal with him when he gets like that, but being that I felt he and I were still good friends, I also did my best ot help. And, to support the main point of this article (which will be discussed in the paragraphs to follow), let it be known that he has NEVER ONCE thanked me for helping him, or apologized for his "evil periods", which he writes off as "part of who he is."

To me, part of being a good Christian is more than just beleiving in God, showing up every now and then at Church and reading the Bible. I was always raised on the belief that part of being a good Christian is more like a lifestyle: you follow/trust in God, you treat others like you would like to be treated, you live a self-sacrificing life, and always put other's feelings over your own (which falls under the self-sacrificing part). My roommate and I got in a major argument over this, he believes that in order to get into heaven, you just have to believe in God and show up to Church. I told him that if he was to follow the Christian way of thinking, then there is a whole lot more work that needs to be done if you wants to get into his Heaven. So I preceded to say that if someone was only mildly religious, but was a total asshole to everyone he/she met, never doing a good thing for anyone other than him/herself, then they could get into heaven. He said "Yes," and I just scoffed at him, and gave up the discussion.

If he was right, then I've definately been right about my views on religion all along, however, 15 years of getting raised in and around the Catholic church tells me otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make a religious come-back, but religion is an interesting topic of research for me. Any thoughts?

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on Mar 12, 2004
Oh... and I have never pledged my fate or the fate of my soul to anything, if you were wondering..
on Mar 15, 2004
Interesting discussion

JeremyG wrote: ""Religions" from the east like Buddhism and my own: Taoism, believe that people are born good, and it is their natural tendancy. It's funny how when you believe that, and just let yourself be you, it's very very easy to be 'good'."

and optics wrote about God letting kids being raped and not intervening. Hmm, I wonder who's raping these kids: God or 'good' men, following their 'natural tendency'???
on Mar 15, 2004
So you've pledged your faith and the fate of your soul to the wisdom of this book, but you don't understand it. At least you didn't make such a commitment to The Catcher in the Rye.

Ah ole Bulby the famed Christian hater is trolling the religion forums again spewing forth ignorance while providing much mirth along the way.
on Mar 15, 2004
Ah ole Bulby the famed Christian hater is trolling the religion forums again spewing forth ignorance while providing much mirth along the way.


Ah, good old Smitty stops by to say exactly the same thing about every one of my posts while providing no new input on the topic or the alleged virtues of Christianity.
on Mar 15, 2004
It is funny, but you two follow each other everywhere. It doesn't seem to matter what the topic is. Why don't you write a blog of your own Bulbous head. Maybe we could understand your arguments better if you wrote your own article.
on Mar 15, 2004
Ah, good old Smitty stops by to say exactly the same thing about every one of my posts while providing no new input on the topic or the alleged virtues of Christianity.


Would that be feeding my pearls to swine? As Sherye said, create your own blog for your anti-christian stance. Are you fearful that no one will care to visit?
on Mar 15, 2004
As Sherye said, create your own blog for your anti-christian stance. Are you fearful that no one will care to visit?


Yes, Smitty, I'm quaking with fear that a bunch of strangers on the Internet won't read my article and that I might cry.


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It is funny, but you two follow each other everywhere. It doesn't seem to matter what the topic is.


Smitty starts the fires of stupidity burning and I have to come and put them out.


Why don't you write a blog of your own Bulbous head. Maybe we could understand your arguments better if you wrote your own article.


Eh. My style doesn't lend itself to soapbox-style oration. I prefer to get together with the other piranhas and swarm the Cub Scouts swimming in the lake.
on Mar 15, 2004
Eh. My style doesn't lend itself to soapbox-style oration. I prefer to get together with the other piranhas and swarm the Cub Scouts swimming in the lake.

Sort of like a terrorist blogger?

Smitty starts the fires of stupidity burning and I have to come and put them out.

You were igniting the fire of ignorance here first if you look at the chronology. You are more of a troll as opposed to someone with a valid opinion. We can find your droppings everywhere.

Yes, Smitty, I'm quaking with fear that a bunch of strangers on the Internet won't read my article and that I might cry.

First thing you wrote today that might be true.
on Mar 15, 2004
Sort of like a terrorist blogger?


I like that!


You were igniting the fire of ignorance here first if you look at the chronology. You are more of a troll as opposed to someone with a valid opinion. We can find your droppings everywhere.


Three sentences without mention of Jesus! How did you manage it?
on Mar 15, 2004
I love Bulboushead. Just had to say that.
on Mar 15, 2004
I admit, I read others comments just to see what bomb Bulb will drop.....
Do not fear tho, God loves Bulb too........
on Mar 15, 2004
Three sentences without mention of Jesus! How did you manage it?

Hard to imagine since I pepper all of my other sentences with the name.

I like that!

I figured you would.

I admit, I read others comments just to see what bomb Bulb will drop.....
Do not fear tho, God loves Bulb too........

I think many do, that is how a contrarian gets their audience. They do provide much humor and are fun to laugh at .
on Apr 13, 2004
Trent, you are totally correct in saying that Christianity is a lifestyle. A lifestyle that revolves and is shaped by the words and teaching of Jesus, by the guidance of the Holy Spirit and by the grace of God.

The Bible is only a book, yes. But it is the content of the book which is important. It shows those who want and/or are willing to take the time to read it, how Christians throughout history have lived their lives so that they/we may follow their example.
It's akin to the manual that came with your computer: it tells you everything about it in detail.
But the Bible is also a historical document to prove to us that the events it speaks of actually occurred. It's historical authenticity has been proven many times by many famous historians, researchers and even scientists since its creation/discovery.
But which other book can claim it is the word of God so convincingly? I challenge you to do your research and try to disprove it as a collection of mere stories. Study the Bible and its teachings and debunk its authenticity. Pore through it in detail and find one area where it contradicts itself without justification or clarification. I guarantee you will fail. I can say that with confidence because I know the contents are God-inspired. It has proven itself to me time and time again and I believe it will continue to do so until the day I die.
Think on this:
The Bible as we know it today has, according to scholarly, historical and scientific research, remained virtually unchanged for thousands of years. Though the original Old Testament manuscripts had been copied and translated over and over, the variation between these is less than .5%.
"Of the 166 words in Isaiah 53, there are only 17 letters in question. 10 of these letters are simply a matter of spelling which does not affect the sense. 4 more letters are minor stylistic variations such as conjunctions. The remaining 3 letters comprise of the word 'light' which is added in verse 11 and does not affect the meaning greatly. Thus in one chapter of 166 words, there is only 1 word; 3 letters in question after a thousand years in transmission and this word does not affect the meaning of the passage."

The New testament has also been subject to close scrutiny:
"Because of the the large number of New Testament manuscripts available for study, experts have been able to catalogue the minor differences and have concluded that the New Testament has been preserved with unparalleled purity."
Consider Homer's Iliad, which was written roughly around 800 B.C. and has which has also been translated and copied for posterity. Today 764 lines of the Iliad are questioned whereas only 400 words of the entire New Testament is in doubt. This equates to 95% accuracy in the Iliad compared to the >99.5% of the over 25,000 manuscripts translations and copies of the New Testament.

This research accords with Aristotle's Dictum which is encompasses the principles applied to all ancient manuscripts and basically claims that one must give the benefit of the doubt to the document itself in order to prove its authenticity.

I've quoted passages from several sources here, all from legitimate and widely published authors. They and others who provided facts and proofs as well as my own experience have shown me that the Bible was indeed God-inspired and is "an integrated message from outside our time domain".

If you decide to accept the challenge to learn more about it I can point you to some excellent starting points.

That's all from me for now.
on Apr 28, 2004
Ah, this is why I love being a Christian pluralist. I definitely don't believe God keeps people out of Heaven because they are not Christian. I would say Ghandi is most certainly in Heaven, along with all of the other wonderful non-Christian and Christian people who have died (and been good people of course). God is loving, caring, and forgiving. Jesus died to save all of us. Do you really think that most people have all that much of a choice in religion? I know that there are many people who have converted to or from Christianity, but honestly, most people believe what their parents believe. I admit that if I had been born into a Jewish family, I would probably be Jewish. However, I was born into a Catholic family, which has somewhat influenced my personal beliefs. I've grown up learning about Christianity, so that is what I believe. But many believe otherwise. Do you really think God expects the people in African tribes who have never heard of Christianity to be Christian? Do you really believe that they all go to Hell. I think God loves all of us, and that going to Heaven or Hell is entirely based on thoughts and actions. But thats just what I believe.

~Molly
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